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Margaret Meddaugh
Abt 1790 - Yes, date unknown
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Joseph Blatch Sweetapple (1839 - 1917)
> 1839 - Born: 15 Oct 1839
> 1875 - Married
Alice Lenora Silloway
: 1875
> 1917 - Died: 30 Dec 1917
Deacon Thomas Holman (1717 - 1790)
> 1717 - Born: 24 Jun 1717
> 1739 - Married
Deborah Huntington
: 23 Jun 1739
> 1757 - Married
Mary Rich
: 27 Dec 1757
> 1759 - Married
Sarah Cooper
: 30 Apr 1759
> 1778 - Married
Mary Palmer
: 4 Feb 1778
> 1790 - Died: 15 Jun 1790
Elmira Kellogg (1806 - 1866)
> 1806 - Born: 10 May 1806
> 1866 - Died: 12 Oct 1866
Elizabeth Brackstone (1791 - 1839)
> 1791 - Born: 27 Nov 1791
> 1813 - Married
John Lickman
: 28 Feb 1813
> 1814 - Child
Elizabeth Lickman
b. 26 Mar 1814
> 1816 - Child
John Lickman
b. 12 Jun 1816
> 1818 - Child
Mary Ann Lickman
b. 22 Aug 1818
> 1822 - Child
John Henry Lickman
b. 29 Apr 1822
> 1824 - Child
George Lickman
b. 8 Dec 1824
> 1838 - Child
Edward Lickman
b. 1838
> 1839 - Died: Sep 1839
John Weeden (1761 - 1794)
> 1761 - Born: 22 Dec 1761
> 1784 - Married
Hannah Finney
: 29 Feb 1784
> 1790 - Child
Polly Weeden
b. 1790
> 1792 - Child
William Weeden
b. 1 Jul 1792
> 1794 - Died: 1794
> 1794 - Child
Jabez Weeden
b. 17 Jun 1794
John Russell (1703 - 1748)
> 1703 - Born: 5 Jun 1703
> 1748 - Died: 1748
Joseph A. Wagner (1793 - 1867)
> 1793 - Born: 13 Oct 1793
> 1814 - Married
Catarina Dygert
: Mar 1814
> 1867 - Died: 22 Aug 1867
Jeremiah Martin (1767 - )
> 1767 - Born: 2 Jun 1767
Ida Ellen Becker (1917 - 2006)
> 1917 - Born: 22 May 1917
> 2006 - Died: 25 Apr 2006
Ephraim Marsh (1712 - 1714)
> 1712 - Born: Bef 12 Jun 1712
> 1714 - Died: 1 Aug 1714
Solomon Holman (1671 - 1753)
> 1671 - Born: 1671
> 1694 - Married
Mary Barton
: 1694
> 1694 - Child
Mary Holman
b. 24 Feb 1694
> 1697 - Child
Solomon Holman
b. 25 Nov 1697
> 1699 - Child
Edward Holman
b. 26 Jan 1699
> 1701 - Child
Elizabeth Holman
b. 24 Oct 1701
> 1703 - Child
Elizabeth Holman
b. 14 Mar 1703
> 1705 - Child
John Holman
b. 24 Oct 1705
> 1707 - Child
Sarah Holman
b. Oct 1707
> 1708 - Child
Ruth Holman
b. Dec 1708
> 1710 - Child
Rachel Holman
b. 23 Sep 1710
> 1713 - Child
Sarah Holman
b. 8 May 1713
> 1715 - Child
Anna Holman
b. 25 Apr 1715
> 1717 - Child
Deacon Thomas Holman
b. 24 Jun 1717
> 1738 - Married
Elizabeth Emery
: 18 Apr 1738
> 1753 - Died: 7 May 1753
Agnes (1887 - 1924)
> 1887 - Born: Abt 1887
> 1908 - Child
Le Grand Owen
b. Abt 1908
> 1924 - Died: Bef 1925
Harriett Viola Kellogg (1883 - 1972)
> 1883 - Born: 24 Jun 1883
> 1972 - Died: 18 May 1972
Finlay McNicol (1785 - 1863)
> 1785 - Born: 7 Jun 1785
> 1818 - Married
Ann MacKenzie
: 30 Jul 1818
> 1819 - Child
Ann McNicol
b. 19 Oct 1819
> 1821 - Child
Marjory McNicol
b. Bef 28 Dec 1821
> 1824 - Child
Margaret McNicol
b. Bef 6 Jun 1824
> 1828 - Child
Donald McNicol
b. 4 Jan 1828
> 1828 - Child
Duncan McNicol
b. Bef 3 May 1828
> 1831 - Child
Christina McNicol
b. Bef 8 Jul 1831
> 1832 - Child
John McNicol
b. 31 Oct 1832
> 1835 - Child
Mary McNicol
b. 23 Nov 1835
> 1863 - Died: 23 Mar 1863
Ellen Rhodes (1868 - )
> 1978 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1868 - Born: 5 Sep 1868
Irma Beryl Smith (1899 - 2001)
> 1899 - Born: Sep 1899
> 1924 - Child
Marian Irma Spaulding
b. 1924
> 1927 - Child
Verne Spaulding, Jr.
b. 1927
> 2001 - Died: 2001
Ella M. Holman (1859 - )
> 1969 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1859 - Born: 10 Sep 1859
George F. Strong (1867 - 1944)
> 1867 - Born: 15 Oct 1867
> 1944 - Died: 20 Jul 1944
Samuel Marsh (1670 - )
> 1780 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1670 - Born: 11 Feb 1670
Dexter Carver Gunn (1794 - 1880)
> 1794 - Born: 22 Jul 1794
> 1816 - Married
Jane Colwell
: 1816
> 1830 - Child
Jane Elizabeth Gunn
b. 21 Feb 1830
> 1880 - Died: 1880
Miles Chafee (1821 - 1912)
> 1821 - Born: 20 Oct 1821
> 1912 - Died: 8 Jul 1912
Willis Hulings Sweetapple (1893 - 1985)
> 1893 - Born: 13 May 1893
> 1914 - Child
Berdena Sweetapple
b. 1914
> 1916 - Child
Eleanor Geraldine Sweetapple
b. 28 Oct 1916
> 1918 - Child
Ferman Sweetapple
b. 1918
> 1925 - Child
Wilma Rose Sweetapple
b. 1 Aug 1925
> 1927 - Child
Willis Hulings Sweetapple, Jr
b. 20 May 1927
> 1930 - Child
Beverly A. Sweetapple
b. 7 Sep 1930
> 1932 - Child
Robert W Sweetapple
b. 13 Oct 1932
> 1935 - Child
Lee Sweetapple
b. 1935
> 1985 - Died: Jun 1985
Michael Tharnish (1848 - 1916)
> 1848 - Born: 29 Mar 1848
> 1871 - Married
Clara Hembert
: 2 Jan 1871
> 1875 - Child
Louise Elizabeth Tharnish
b. 16 Jun 1875
> 1881 - Child
John Julius Tarnish
b. 15 Feb 1881
> 1916 - Died: 4 Aug 1916
Cynthia Holman (1804 - )
> 1914 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1804 - Born: 1 Mar 1804
Maria Abel (1839 - 1905)
> 1839 - Born: Mar 1839
> 1857 - Married
Joseph L. Van Dorn
: Abt 1857
> 1858 - Child
Mariam C. VanDorn
b. May 1858
> 1860 - Child
Alma S. Van Doren
b. Feb 1860
> 1861 - Child
John S. Van Doran
b. Oct 1861
> 1864 - Child
Clementine Van Doren
b. 11 Aug 1864
> 1866 - Child
Ella J. Van Dorn
b. Dec 1866
> 1869 - Child
Maude Van Dorn
b. 31 May 1869
> 1869 - Child
Claude Van Doren
b. 31 May 1869
> 1871 - Child
Joseph L. Van Dorn
b. Mar 1871
> 1905 - Died: 11 Jan 1905
Hilda Agatha Weeden (1893 - 1970)
> 1893 - Born: 8 Feb 1893
> 1970 - Died: 15 Oct 1970
Malinda Elisabeth Gunn (1806 - 1885)
> 1806 - Born: 13 Jun 1806
> 1823 - Married
John Knaggs
: 10 Feb 1823
> 1823 - Child
Eliza Knaggs
b. 20 Dec 1823
> 1825 - Child
John Whitmore Knaggs
b. 7 Jan 1825
> 1827 - Child
Maria Knaggs
b. 1827
> 1829 - Child
Adeline Knaggs
b. 1829
> 1831 - Child
James Wellington Knaggs
b. 22 May 1831
> 1834 - Child
Henry Knaggs
b. 1834
> 1836 - Child
Clara Maria Knaggs
b. 2 Feb 1836
> 1837 - Child
Mortimer Knaggs
b. Abt 1837
> 1839 - Child
Sophia Josephine Knaggs
b. Abt 1839
> 1841 - Child
Virginia Knaggs
b. Abt 1841
> 1885 - Died: 20 Sep 1885
Col. Samuel Partridge (1645 - 1740)
> 1645 - Born: 15 Oct 1645
> 1668 - Married
Mehetabel Crow
: 24 Sep 1668
> 1669 - Child
William Partridge
b. 16 Nov 1669
> 1671 - Child
Samuel Partridge, Jr.
b. 21 Jan 1671
> 1675 - Child
Mehitable Partridge
b. 26 Aug 1675
> 1678 - Child
Mary Partridge
b. 26 Jan 1678
> 1681 - Child
Jonathan Partridge
b. 5 Apr 1681
> 1683 - Child
Edward Partridge
b. 26 Apr 1683
> 1685 - Child
Jonathan Partridge
b. Sep 1685
> 1686 - Child
John Partridge
b. 26 Nov 1686
> 1688 - Child
Elizabeth Partridge
b. 7 Oct 1688
> 1740 - Died: 25 Dec 1740
Rev Nathaniel Brewster (1622 - 1690)
> 1622 - Born: Apr 1622
> 1690 - Died: 18 Dec 1690
Gertrude Herkimer (1722 - 1802)
> 1722 - Born: Abt 1722
> 1739 - Child
Anna Dorothea Shoemaker
b. 1739
> 1802 - Died: 12 Feb 1802
Elnathan Jones (1697 - 1739)
> 1697 - Born: 29 Mar 1697
> 1739 - Died: 6 May 1739
George Weeden (1735 - 1758)
> 1735 - Born: 10 Octobert 1735
> 1758 - Died: Bef 2 Jan 1758
Amanda Minerva Gunn (1816 - 1895)
> 1816 - Born: 1816
> 1895 - Died: 4 Apr 1895
Mercy Weeden (1750 - )
> 1860 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1750 - Born: 24 Sep 1750
> 1771 - Married
Amos Booth
: 1 Nov 1771
Christina McNicol (1855 - 1859)
> 1855 - Born: 22 Dec 1855
> 1859 - Died: 1859
Abigail Richmond (1695 - 1784)
> 1695 - Born: 12 Jun 1695
> 1784 - Died: 1 Nov 1784
Elisha Gunn (1761 - 1764)
> 1761 - Born: 5 Nov 1761
> 1764 - Died: 1764
Floyd R. Hawley (1906 - 1907)
> 1906 - Born: 12 Aug 1906
> 1907 - Died: 6 Sep 1907
Mary Hawley (1805 - 1870)
> 1805 - Born: 27 Mar 1805
> 1836 - Married
Thomas Yearsley
: 6 Jan 1836
> 1836 - Child
Hannah Yearsley
b. 11 Oct 1836
> 1840 - Child
Nathan Yearsley
b. 17 Oct 1840
> 1870 - Died: 1870
Wilford Holman (1831 - )
> 1941 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1831 - Born: 1831
Elizabeth Osborn (1795 - )
> 1905 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1795 - Born: Abt 1795
> 1816 - Married
Abel Hodge Brewster
: 25 Sep 1816
> 1821 - Child
Samuel Brewster
b. Abt 1821
> 1823 - Child
Lovina Brewster
b. Abt 1823
Jonathan Marsh (1649 - 1680)
> 1649 - Born: Sep 1649
> 1680 - Died: 1680
Melissa Hannah Carrier (1847 - 1908)
> 1847 - Born: 20 Oct 1847
> 1908 - Died: 11 Mar 1908
Josiah Richmond (1700 - 1779)
> 1700 - Born: 1700
> 1779 - Died: 7 Sep 1779
Elizabeth Smith (1689 - 1797)
> 1689 - Born: 17 Mar 1689
> 1740 - Child
Elizabeth Helmer
b. 1740
> 1797 - Buried: 1797
John Waite (1723 - 1723)
> 1723 - Born: 7 Sep 1723
> 1723 - Died: 22 Oct 1723
Rebecca Bowker (1759 - 1797)
> 1759 - Born: 1759
> 1780 - Married
Solomon Beebe
: Abt 1780
> 1781 - Child
Olive Beebe
b. 14 Dec 1781
> 1787 - Child
Roxana Beebe
b. 1 Jun 1787
> 1789 - Child
Simeon Beebe
b. 1 May 1789
> 1792 - Child
Nancy Beebe
b. 1792
> 1795 - Child
Lothrop Beebe
b. 23 Jul 1795
> 1797 - Died: 1797
Caleb Hawley, Jr. (1788 - 1878)
> 1788 - Born: 29 May 1788
> 1878 - Died: 19 Jul 1878
Sarah Rhodes (1781 - )
> 1891 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1781 - Born: 26 Dec 1781
Mary Catherine Hise (1910 - 1983)
> 1910 - Born: 17 Aug 1910
> 1927 - Married
Robert Emmet Hawley
: 7 May 1927
> 1927 - Child
Robert John Hawley
b. 17 Sep 1927
> 1928 - Child
Donald James Hawley
b. 28 Dec 1928
> 1931 - Child
Mary Isabelle Hawley
b. 15 Feb 1931
> 1964 - Married
Howard Ross Hawley
: 8 Jun 1964
> 1983 - Died: 15 Dec 1983
Mary McNicol (1840 - )
> 1950 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1840 - Born: 2 Jun 1840
Dugald McNicol (1883 - )
> 1993 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1883 - Born: Abt 1883
Benjamin Hawley (1815 - 1815)
> 1815 - Born: 13 Mar 1815
> 1815 - Died: Sep 1815
Dorothy Maude Langless (1920 - 1993)
> 1920 - Born: 17 Mar 1920
> 1941 - Married
Gordon G. Tharnish
: 6 Jan 1941
> 1993 - Died: 23 Oct 1993
Thomas Mercer, Jr. (1694 - 1758)
> 1694 - Born: 20 Oct 1694
> 1711 - Married
Hannah Taylor
: 1711
> 1724 - Child
Hannah Mercer
b. 28 Mar 1724
> 1758 - Died: 28 Jan 1758
Edward P. Hawley (1821 - 1903)
> 1821 - Born: 25 Dec 1821
> 1852 - Child
Willis A. Hawley
b. Abt 1852
> 1853 - Child
Henry Warren Hawley
b. Mar 1853
> 1865 - Child
Edward M. Hawley
b. 1865
> 1903 - Died: 26 Apr 1903
Dorcas Jones (1704 - 1799)
> 1704 - Born: 17 Jan 1704
> 1799 - Died: 4 Aug 1799
Penelope Gardiner (1689 - 1751)
> 1689 - Born: 1689
> 1709 - Married
Benjamin Lawton
: 8 Sep 1709
> 1715 - Child
Benjamin Lawton
b. 15 Apr 1715
> 1717 - Child
Thomas Lawton
b. 30 Jan 1717
> 1725 - Child
Lydia Lawton
b. 7 Jun 1725
> 1730 - Child
Mary Lawton
b. 1730
> 1751 - Died: Nov 1751
Beulah M Winch (1911 - 1998)
> 1911 - Born: 5 Jun 1911
> 1931 - Married
Ellsworth Simon Kirsch
: 18 Aug 1931
> 1933 - Child
Terrence F Kirsch
b. 29 Dec 1933
> 1998 - Died: 14 Oct 1998
John (Red John) MacMaster (1773 - )
> 1773 - Born: 1773
Patience Martin (1763 - 1838)
> 1763 - Born: 8 Dec 1763
> 1783 - Married
Stephen Chaffee
: 14 Dec 1783
> 1784 - Child
Charles Chaffee
b. 31 Mar 1784
> 1785 - Child
Jonathan Chaffee
b. Nov 1785
> 1787 - Child
Stephen Harrison Chaffee
b. Abt 1787
> 1789 - Child
Phoebe Chaffee
b. Abt 1789
> 1792 - Child
Rhoda Sophronia Chaffee
b. 11 Jul 1792
> 1796 - Child
Patience Chaffee
b. Abt 1796
> 1798 - Child
Rebecca Chaffee
b. Abt 1798
> 1798 - Child
Amy Chaffee
b. 28 Oct 1798
> 1800 - Child
Mary Chaffee
b. Abt 1800
> 1802 - Child
Sally Chaffee
b. Abt 1802
> 1838 - Died: 15 Apr 1838
Alice E Perry (1852 - 1942)
> 1852 - Born: 21 Nov 1852
> 1879 - Married
Martin Tharnish
: 3 Jul 1879
> 1880 - Child
M. Edna Tharnish
b. 19 Aug 1880
> 1887 - Child
William Perry Tharnish
b. 19 Apr 1887
> 1891 - Child
Clare Arthur Tharnish
b. 13 Oct 1891
> 1942 - Died: 17 Sep 1942
William Carter Griffin (1803 - 1898)
> 1803 - Born: 30 Oct 1803
> 1829 - Married
Clarissa Malinda Gunn
: 23 Aug 1829
> 1831 - Child
Hortensia A. Griffin
b. 16 Aug 1831
> 1834 - Child
Clarissa Alvira Griffin
b. 1834
> 1836 - Child
William C. Griffin, Jr.
b. 1836
> 1836 - Child
Henry C Griffin
b. 1836
> 1842 - Child
Elizabeth P. Griffin
b. 1842
> 1844 - Child
Louisa M Griffin
b. 15 Mar 1844
> 1845 - Child
Augusta Griffin
b. 1845
> 1846 - Child
Carver Sewell Griffin
b. 4 May 1846
> 1898 - Died: 30 Mar 1898
James Russell (1695 - 1773)
> 1695 - Born: 26 Dec 1695
> 1773 - Died: 5 May 1773
Mary Brewster (1660 - )
> 1770 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1660 - Born: 10 Dec 1660
Decatur Benjamin Brewster (1840 - 1912)
> 1840 - Born: Abt 1840
> 1877 - Child
Lena Brewster
b. Feb 1877
> 1880 - Child
Nelson F. Brewster
b. Aug 1880
> 1883 - Child
Benjamin L. Brewster
b. Dec 1883
> 1912 - Died: 1912
Johann Sebastian Thanisch (1781 - )
> 1891 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1781 - Born: 16 Feb 1781
Josiah Jones (1702 - 1741)
> 1702 - Born: 19 Jan 1702
> 1741 - Died: 4 Jun 1741
Helen Rhodes (1851 - )
> 1961 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1851 - Born: Abt 1851
Caleb Weeden (1758 - )
> 1868 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1758 - Born: 11 Oct 1758
> 1776 - Married
Susannah Capron
: 21 Jan 1776
Elizabeth Holman (1703 - 1727)
> 1703 - Born: 14 Mar 1703
> 1725 - Married
William Anderson
: 1725
> 1727 - Died: 13 Sep 1727
Cyntha Diana Allen (1816 - 1825)
> 1816 - Born: 18 Jul 1816
> 1825 - Died: 15 Aug 1825
Janet Lang (1934 - 2015)
> 1934 - Born: 12 Aug 1934
> 2015 - Died: 29 Dec 2015
Samuel Richmond (1668 - 1736)
> 1668 - Born: 23 Sep 1668
> 1736 - Died: 20 Jul 1736
Ara Jane Weeden (1885 - 1983)
> 1885 - Born: 16 Oct 1885
> 1983 - Died: 27 Sep 1983
Zebediah Wheeler (1665 - 1729)
> 1665 - Born: 2 Jan 1665
> 1729 - Died: 16 Dec 1729
Lucretia Oldham (1606 - 1671)
> 1606 - Born: 14 Jun 1606
> 1622 - Child
Rev Nathaniel Brewster
b. Apr 1622
> 1625 - Child
William Brewster
b. 9 Mar 1625
> 1627 - Child
Mary Brewster
b. 16 Apr 1627
> 1629 - Child
Jonathan Brewster, Junior
b. 17 Jul 1629
> 1631 - Child
Ruth Brewster
b. 3 Oct 1631
> 1633 - Child
Capt. Benjamin Brewster
b. 17 Nov 1633
> 1637 - Child
Elizabeth Brewster
b. 1 May 1637
> 1639 - Child
Grace Brewster
b. 1 Nov 1639
> 1641 - Child
Hannah Brewster
b. 3 Nov 1641
> 1671 - Died: 4 Mar 1671
Martha Bliss (1663 - 1735)
> 1663 - Born: Apr 1663
> 1689 - Married
Nathaniel Toogood
: Abt 1689
> 1690 - Child
Ann Toogood
b. Abt 1690
> 1693 - Child
Rachel Toogood
b. 23 Apr 1693
> 1696 - Child
Dorothy Toogood
b. 30 Nov 1696
> 1698 - Child
Martha Toogood
b. 6 Oct 1698
> 1700 - Child
Samuel Toogood
b. 30 Sep 1700
> 1735 - Died: 22 Mar 1735
Katherine Louisa Rowden (1835 - 1899)
> 1835 - Born: 1835
> 1899 - Died: 1899
Annie McPherson (1871 - )
> 1981 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1871 - Born: 18 Dec 1871
> 1900 - Married
Robert MacKirdy
: 4 Oct 1900
> 1901 - Child
Mary McNichol MacKirdy
b. 1 Sep 1901
Harry K Abel (1899 - 1901)
> 1899 - Born: 27 Mar 1899
> 1901 - Died: 31 Aug 1901
Allan McPherson (1834 - 1877)
> 1834 - Born: 14 Dec 1834
> 1858 - Married
Helen McFarlane
: 19 Mar 1858
> 1860 - Child
Mary McPherson
b. 23 Jan 1860
> 1863 - Child
William McPherson
b. 8 Feb 1863
> 1865 - Child
John McPherson
b. 30 May 1865
> 1869 - Child
Euphemia McPherson
b. 8 Mar 1869
> 1873 - Child
Allan Mcpherson
b. 15 Jan 1873
> 1877 - Died: 9 Apr 1877
Joseph Michael Poplinski (1908 - 1983)
> 1908 - Born: 9 Jun 1908
> 1983 - Died: 30 Jul 1983
Thomas Martin Phipps (1894 - 1981)
> 1894 - Born: 16 Nov 1894
> 1981 - Died: 9 Nov 1981
Hiram H House (1813 - 1897)
> 1813 - Born: 20 Dec 1813
> 1843 - Married
Martha Beebe
: 1843
> 1852 - Married
Maria Beebe
: 1852
> 1897 - Died: 21 Mar 1897
Florence Rhodes (1854 - )
> 1964 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1854 - Born: Abt 1854
Marvin Beebe (1818 - )
> 1818 - Born: Abt 1818
Margaret Meddaugh (1790 - )
> 1900 - Died: Yes, date unknown
> 1790 - Born: Abt 1790
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